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| Processed by: | richwarm (2024-05-05 05:11:54 GMT) |
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<< review queue entry 76724 - submitted by 'beansprout' >> This idiom is (likely) derived from the alternative original form 與狐謀皮|与狐谋皮[yu3hu2-mou2pi2]: - MoE Idioms (https://dict.idioms.moe.edu.tw/idiomView.jsp?ID=1474&webMd=2&la=0): "而「與狐謀皮」的寓言故事，可能就是後來「與虎謀皮」的出處，只是把「狐」改成「虎」。除了原有的寓義外，更因老虎是種猛獸，就更強調了寓言中「找錯對象」的意思。" - HYDCD (via Pleco): "本作“與狐謀皮”。" but Google suggests that the 虎 is now much more prevalent: 與虎謀皮 : About 179,000 results 与虎谋皮: About 975,000 results 與狐謀皮: About 5,970 results 与狐谋皮: About 33,200 results PLC, Oxford, Guifan, and Cross-Straits (via Pleco) segment the pinyin as [yu3hu3-mou2pi2]. Usage examples from CCL Corpus (http://ccl.pku.edu.cn:8080/ccl_corpus): - "赌风盛行，其实本身就是一种社会的病态；让赌场治“赌病”，无异于【与虎谋皮】。既要赌业兴旺，又要避免“病态”，这道难题有解吗？" (人民日报, 2006) - "让这样一个“受益者”去纠正违法行为，无异于“【与虎谋皮】”。吃到嘴里的肉，怎能轻易吐出来？ " (人民日报, 2005) - "网民普遍认为，让老百姓与开发商商量房价，无异于“【与虎谋皮】”。 The cyber citizens generally believed that asking the ordinary masses to negotiate housing price with the developers would be nothing short of asking a tiger for its skin." References: - PLC (via Pleco): "IDIOM ask a tiger for its skin—expect sb. (usu. an evil person) to act against his own interests; attempt the impossible" - Guifan (via Pleco): "同老虎商量要它的皮(谋: 商量)。比喻跟恶人商量, 要他放弃自己的利益, 那是办不到的。" - Chinese-English dictionary of contemporary usage by Chi, Wen-shun (https://archive.org/details/chineseenglishdi0000chiw): "to ask a tiger to give up his pelt (to ask someone—e.g., a landlord—to give up something vital to his existence; a futile request; a doomed petition)" - Far East Chinese-English Dictionary: "(literally) to negotiate with a tiger (fox) for its hide—to try to persuade someone to do what is against his interest" - MoE Idioms (https://dict.idioms.moe.edu.tw/idiomView.jsp?ID=1474&webMd=2&la=0): "「與虎謀皮」的意思是向老虎商量要取牠的皮，皮是老虎的生命必需品，當然牠是不肯了。所以「與虎謀皮」用來比喻所謀者與對方有利害衝突，事情必辦不成。" |
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+ 與虎謀皮 与虎谋皮 [[yu3hu3-mou2pi2]] /lit. to negotiate with a tiger for its pelt (idiom); fig. to ask sb to act contrary to their own interests/ |